quick question: 'poisoned' vs 'on fire' - Guild Wars Forums

Venom · May 28, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

What would cause more damage to a player, having no resistances to either.... setting them "on fire" for 2 seconds, or having them "poisoned" for 2 seconds?

cristidam · May 28, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01

from what i know on fire causes the highest degen rate, something like -7 or -8 per second (not sure)

egads · May 28, 2005, 02:13 AM // 02:13

On Fire causes seven pips of degeneration (-14 health per second) whereas Poison causes causes four pips of degeneration (-8 health per second).

Venom · May 28, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32

thank you!

fix dark · May 28, 2005, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Poison is actually 3 negative pips a second, so that's less than half of the fire's negative pips.

Eskimo Bob · May 28, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

But poison normaly lasts much longer than fire does. Fire lasts around 3 seconds, while poison can last a long time.

egads · May 28, 2005, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Poison is definitely four pips of health degeneration. Bleeding is three.

Crom the Conqueror · May 28, 2005, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Poison last longer, and thus are more annoying and more deadly. More people get killed by poison than fire. Usually when you are on fire, it only last a few seconds, but poison, oh poison is hell.

Aaaaagh · May 28, 2005, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by egads

Poison is definitely four pips of health degeneration. Bleeding is three.

Correct.

Morat · May 28, 2005, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Poisoning usually lasts long enough for a single ranger to cycle through the available targets and keep them ALL poisoned

Its very effective. Of course, there's a great mesmer skill called epidemic http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/307-epidemic which makes Ranger/Mesmer a cool combo

Lord Malikai · May 28, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

However, poison can be removed. Most of the time in PvP situations it is removed before the poison runs the full length. The duration of burning is so short due to its effectiveness. Take Rodgorts Invocation as an example, an AoE spell that hits all enemies in target foes location for 91 damage (at 12 fire mastery) and then sets them all on fire for 3 seconds, adding an additional 42 damage in burning. Total 133 damage. Compared to Poison arrow as an example, say 12 damage from the arrow hitting + 17 seconds of poison (at wilderness 12) would amount to 148 damage. But that 132 damage from being poisoned is over the course of 17 seconds, leaving ample time for healing or removing it. Don't get me wrong, poison is annoying as hell for monks to continously heal or remove, I do not argue that it is a powerful skill to have at your disposle but if you are looking for quick burst damage + degen, burning is a very effective tool.

Morat · May 28, 2005, 11:19 AM // 11:19

and a damage spike is often what you need compared with DoT to finish someone off... but stressing monks is always good too

Burem · May 28, 2005, 01:03 PM // 13:03

I beg to differ, my Elem can light people on fire for 21 seconds.

Mark of Rodgort is teh l33t.

dargon · May 28, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burem

I beg to differ, my Elem can light people on fire for 21 seconds.

Mark of Rodgort is teh l33t.

Heh, you may be able to set them on fire for 21 seconds, but they only actually burn for 1-3.

Venom · May 28, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Well, part of the reason I was asking is because I'm using Mark of Rodgort (16 seconds) with a fiery bow + conjure flame. I also have posion arrow/apply poison... Wanted to know which is more beneficial. As it stands, I'll be using conjure+mark+poison arrow. Helpful thread, thanks all

Rajamic · May 28, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Yeah with Mark of Rodgort or Incendiary Arrows, on fire is much more dangerous. Even if they remove the condition, oops, there it is again!

Jigokunoinu · May 28, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venom

Well, part of the reason I was asking is because I'm using Mark of Rodgort (16 seconds) with a fiery bow + conjure flame. I also have posion arrow/apply poison... Wanted to know which is more beneficial. As it stands, I'll be using conjure+mark+poison arrow. Helpful thread, thanks all

Well of course 'on fire' and 'poisoned' is always going to be the best option ... (=

crow_killer · May 29, 2005, 05:54 AM // 05:54

does a lot of this not depend on a rangers lvl like wilderness survival?

eA-Zaku · May 29, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

How about being a ranger AND an elementalist? Then you could set them on fire AND poison them

May 28, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58	#1
Venom Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Guild: Idiot Savants	quick question: 'poisoned' vs 'on fire' What would cause more damage to a player, having no resistances to either.... setting them "on fire" for 2 seconds, or having them "poisoned" for 2 seconds?

May 28, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26	#11
Lord Malikai Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Colorado Guild: Imperial Fist Guild Leader Profession: W/E	... However, poison can be removed. Most of the time in PvP situations it is removed before the poison runs the full length. The duration of burning is so short due to its effectiveness. Take Rodgorts Invocation as an example, an AoE spell that hits all enemies in target foes location for 91 damage (at 12 fire mastery) and then sets them all on fire for 3 seconds, adding an additional 42 damage in burning. Total 133 damage. Compared to Poison arrow as an example, say 12 damage from the arrow hitting + 17 seconds of poison (at wilderness 12) would amount to 148 damage. But that 132 damage from being poisoned is over the course of 17 seconds, leaving ample time for healing or removing it. Don't get me wrong, poison is annoying as hell for monks to continously heal or remove, I do not argue that it is a powerful skill to have at your disposle but if you are looking for quick burst damage + degen, burning is a very effective tool.

May 28, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#2
cristidam Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: the Valahian Impalers Profession: Mo/Me	from what i know on fire causes the highest degen rate, something like -7 or -8 per second (not sure)

May 28, 2005, 02:13 AM // 02:13	#3
egads Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	On Fire causes seven pips of degeneration (-14 health per second) whereas Poison causes causes four pips of degeneration (-8 health per second).

May 28, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32	#4
Venom Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Guild: Idiot Savants	thank you!

May 28, 2005, 04:32 AM // 04:32	#5
fix dark Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: cali Guild: Remnants of Ascalon Profession: R/Mo	Poison is actually 3 negative pips a second, so that's less than half of the fire's negative pips.

May 28, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40	#6
Eskimo Bob Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada, Alberta Guild: Angelic Knights Profession: W/Mo	But poison normaly lasts much longer than fire does. Fire lasts around 3 seconds, while poison can last a long time.

May 28, 2005, 05:46 AM // 05:46	#7
egads Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	Poison is definitely four pips of health degeneration. Bleeding is three.

May 28, 2005, 05:48 AM // 05:48	#8
Crom the Conqueror Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Guild: Rage Three D Profession: W/E	Poison last longer, and thus are more annoying and more deadly. More people get killed by poison than fire. Usually when you are on fire, it only last a few seconds, but poison, oh poison is hell.

May 28, 2005, 09:06 AM // 09:06	#10
Morat Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Octavian Vanguard Profession: R/E	Poisoning usually lasts long enough for a single ranger to cycle through the available targets and keep them ALL poisoned Its very effective. Of course, there's a great mesmer skill called epidemic http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/307-epidemic which makes Ranger/Mesmer a cool combo

May 28, 2005, 11:19 AM // 11:19	#12
Morat Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Octavian Vanguard Profession: R/E	and a damage spike is often what you need compared with DoT to finish someone off... but stressing monks is always good too

May 28, 2005, 01:03 PM // 13:03	#13
Burem Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Coast USA Profession: E/Me	I beg to differ, my Elem can light people on fire for 21 seconds. Mark of Rodgort is teh l33t.

May 28, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47	#15
Venom Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Guild: Idiot Savants	Well, part of the reason I was asking is because I'm using Mark of Rodgort (16 seconds) with a fiery bow + conjure flame. I also have posion arrow/apply poison... Wanted to know which is more beneficial. As it stands, I'll be using conjure+mark+poison arrow. Helpful thread, thanks all

May 28, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03	#16
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	Yeah with Mark of Rodgort or Incendiary Arrows, on fire is much more dangerous. Even if they remove the condition, oops, there it is again!

May 29, 2005, 05:54 AM // 05:54	#18
crow_killer Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	does a lot of this not depend on a rangers lvl like wilderness survival?

May 29, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57	#19
eA-Zaku Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	How about being a ranger AND an elementalist? Then you could set them on fire AND poison them